xenith: (Eucalypt)
I'll provide these are a basis for any further discussion on the topic :)

From Graham Seal’s The Outlaw Legend: a cultural tradition in Britain, America and Australia. He looked at the outlaw hero tradition in Britain, America and Australia and identified ten common characteristics.

1. Robs from the rich to help the poor

There's a broad definition to rich & poor though. "Rich" could be some form of oppressor, "poor" a group suffering from some form of oppression/injustice. Sometimes it's just "robbing the rich" or getting revenge on authority.

2. Oppressed

Comes from the "poor", the oppressed group. Frequently, Seal says, from such groups who are also "deprived of political representation".

3. Driven to outlawry through no fault of his own

Usually starting off as a law-abiding citizen until an act of justifiable violence/vengeance, often to assist someone else, forces him outside the law.

For the next four, Seal says "in order to maintain the respect, sympathy and the active support of his own social group, the outlaw much adhere to, or at least be seen to adhere to, a relatively rigid set of guidelines. Some actions are appropriate, even laudable, while others are reprehensible and may not be countenanced if the outlaw is to become a hero".

4. Brave
5. Generous
6. Courteous
7. Does not indulge in unjustified violence

Brave can be boldness or daring, and includes "dying game". Courteous particularly applies to the treatment of women. Justified acts of vengeance and self defence can be permitted under the seventh. Put them all together though, and you get a particular moral code. The stereotypical "gentleman robber" even. The interesting bit about this is the bit of the quote "at least be seen to adhere to". There are obvious attempts on the part of some outlaws to make their public image match this code, even if their actions didn't. They obviously understood its importance.

8. Trickster

Daring & clever. This includes outwitting his pursuers or escaping once captured.

9. Betrayed

If captured, it's because a friend or someone they've turned to for aid has turned traitor.

10. Lives on after death

This can be either stories of still living after being killed, or living on in legends & ballads.
xenith: (Black Scales)
There's another definition problem with reluctant heroes, and whenever the subject comes up, it seems to get bogged down in trying to work out what exactly is a reluctant hero. So I want to avoid that.

In some ways you could say a 'reluctant hero' is a true hero. They're doing the job because it has to be done and they're the one to do it, rather than being motivated by glory or possible rewards or some less-heroic thoughts. Or they're someone who happens to be in the right place at the wrong time and does the best they can.

On the other hand, they don't become widely know, as least not as reluctant heroes. I think it's not seen as heroic to be do something because you're forced into it or you happen to be the best there is at the time. Real Heroes are inherently Heroic or they're acting from Heroic motivations. Reluctance is not a heroic trait. Or maybe it implies ordinariness, which h(I am not going to write that word again)s can't be. They're special and better than an ordinary person.

This would help if I could think of some example of youknowwhats.

In fiction it seems to be "I don't want to do this, oh, yes I do, I was just being modest", or something. OK that's a bit exaggerated, but fictional protagonists do seem to rush in eagerly enough after the first hesitation.

At which point, you're probably thinking of plenty of counter-examples. I know there are some, but I can't of any at the moment. Offer up a few and I'll see if that shakes loose any more thoughts on the topic. Or some real life, well known ones.
xenith: (Black Scales)
The outlaw hero is an interesting concept. Outlaw, operating (and of the 464 songs on the playlist on Winamp, 'Blaze of Glory' just came up) outside the law, a criminal, a thief, or even murderer. Isn't a hero the opposite?

It got a bit long )

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